Tammy J Cohen on Starter Girlz Podcast

Bridging Bonds Through Digital Communication

It was a great honor for me to be a guest on the Starter Girlz podcast, with the excellent host Jennifer Loehding.

Jennifer Loehding, work life strategist and founder of Life by Design is an influential speaker, author and blogger. She is the creator and host of Behind the Dreamers and Starter Girls Podcasts.

Jennifer invited me to discuss how to connect deeply in a world of devices and build bonds via digital communication. I discuss just how important it is to consistently send messages of love, inspriation, postivity, and share accurate knowledge with our kids, loved ones, family and community to combat the darker and hate filled messages that are being shared on devices continually.

Podcast transcript:

Jennifer:

All right, here we are, welcome, welcome to another episode of the Starter Girlz. I’m your host, Jennifer Loehding. I’m so excited about my guest today. She is amazing, Tammy Cohen. She is the author of Text messages to my son, connecting deeply in a world of devices. I’m so excited to get her on here today. And, as you guys know, one of the great things about Starter Girlz we are all about empowering the female entrepreneur, creator, leader, wherever you are in your journey right now, and how we can do that, you know, both through our relationships, through our financial, through our vocation, and through our health and well-being, and so Tammy brings a wealth of knowledge. I’m so excited. She’s a connector. She does a lot of amazing work where she is from, and so we’re going to welcome her on here. So, Tammy, welcome to Starter Girlz podcast. So excited to have you here today.

Tammy:

Hey, Jennifer, thank you so much for having me on. I’m tremendously excited to be here today.

Jennifer:

This is going to be so much fun because I you know, the first time we met, we only got to talk for a very, very short time, but I knew instantly that I liked your energy. I can tell that you are a people person and you value relationships, and I think that’s so important in what we do, whether you know it’s in our careers or whether it’s in our homes and I think one of the great things about what you’ve got going on. I’m going to want you to tell us about this book and how it came about, but I think this is a really big area for a lot of us. You know moms out there that are trying to run our businesses and how do we run our homes effectively as well. So I want to start right there. I want to talk a little bit about your latest book that you brought out and the inspiration behind that.

Tammy:

Well, text message to my sons, connecting deeply in a world of devices became a book that it didn’t start that way. It was just I had no intention of writing about it. Actually, when I started this over the pandemic, you know, I realized we had time. You know we were all shut down and for me it was a time of personal development and growth. I have to say it was. It wasn’t challenging time, but it gave me the time to actually not be traveling for and to actually look at myself and I realized there was a lot of things that I needed to work on and take accountability for and that I had been. I wasn’t a happy person and I had a lot of limiting beliefs and all kinds of things in my origin story that I realized were affecting me even now, even even to this point in my life. So I started doing a lot of coursework and workshops and getting real reading a lot and getting really into the whole mindset space. I hired a coach, a couple of coaches I mean I really was there and I decided that I really wanted to change the relationship that I was currently having with my kids, because in the past it was always I was busy and every, every, every message, every text I ever sent because that’s the best way to communicate they didn’t want to talk to me in person was sending them a message that was either a reprimand and or some kind of you know, ask or question or something or reminder. There was no communication otherwise and I have the time they didn’t answer. Sometimes they’d answer the three letter letter acronym that I had no idea what it was. I had no idea what it was. So I said you know what? I want to change it. I want to just send them messages of love, inspiration, I want to share what I’m learning, but I also want to own up to things that I haven’t done right by them. I want to be real, I want to be a human being to them. I want to change that dynamic. So I started doing that every day. It was really consistent. I’m still doing it. It has never changed, even though the book came out. So after two years of daily messages, I had a lot of material. But what really got me to write the book is that, as I was sharing it with people I know and other parents and friends and family and colleagues they were like wow, that’s really amazing, you should put that in a book. So I said okay, and then the next chapter started with actually getting a book and doing all this because I didn’t know how to do it and publishing and getting to that place. So, yeah, it’s been a journey and a half, but I really just did it to improve my relationship with them, to connect with them in a way that they want to connect. You know, there are, we have these devices. They’re neither good nor evil, they’re just there. It’s the content that we’re sharing. That’s whether it’s good or bad, and we have to reach people on where they’re at. People aren’t having conversations. You got to find another way to talk to them and that’s just how it is today.

Jennifer:

Yeah, and I’m listening to you and you know, of course, this is how this goes and I know you’re a podcaster so you get it. So, as your people are talking, you’re like thinking about all the things they’re saying to you and right now there’s like so many takeaways, I think, from this and we can dive into some of these. But I think you know, starting with the going back to the pandemic, and when you had this time, you know that everything was shut down and we all, you know, sort of came into a place where we’re like what do we do here? Right, like what do we do? We got to pivot and I think some of us evolved and kept growing. Some people shut down and, whether you were in business or not, but I think even as people, we have to evolve, right, and so I love that you talk about you took that time to work on you and I think that you know I share that with you too, because I think a lot of us did that. We realized we were in this crisis and it’s like what are we going to do with ourselves? Are we going to sit in this and be sick about it? Are we going to evolve as a human being right, and I think that is awesome in itself is that you took you know the initiative to do that. But then I also love to jump into this part about where you’re talking, about, where you met your sons, where they are, and I think that is so important in everything that we do, whether it’s in our relationships at home or whether we’re dealing with people in our careers right, because we’ve got these different, these generation gaps and everybody’s kind of on these different. You know where you and I may be still kind of old school in the way we do our connecting right. Like I’m okay picking up a phone occasionally. I don’t really. I mean, I do texting sometimes because I think it’s easy. I don’t understand all these emojis that they do my kids I was laughing when you said that, because my kids do the same thing. Everything’s like short, abbreviated words and pictures and emojis, and I’m like do I just start sending emojis back to them? And maybe you could talk to us about that. Is that what I’m doing? I need to send emojis back, you know. So I think there’s something to be said about this whole really meeting people where they are and trying to find that common ground, unless you just decide, hey, I’m not going to connect right, like, I’m just not going to, and that’s why this is important.

Tammy:

Well, that’s really really good point, Jennifer. So, basically for me, I read a very interesting fact when I was going through all these studies and everything that in 2017, people reported they were on their phone 70% of the time and by 2022, it was continuously. They didn’t even say 100% of the time, they said continuously. So I even know as a grown up, somebody who works and has businesses and stuff, I’m looking at my phone all the time. I own a restaurant, my husband on the other side, people are sitting at the table and you’ve been in restaurants before. They’re not even talking to each other. Everybody’s looking at their phone. Very funny thing. I remember really being impacted on this as watching a basketball game with my husband over the pandemic and these girls were like they didn’t even know they were on the big job at that jumbotron where they have your pictures up there, because they were all looking at their phones and taking selfies during like and even the announcers were like can you believe this? These girls have no idea they’re on the job. They don’t know what’s going on because they’re not watching. They’re not even involved with the game. They’re looking at themselves and taking selfies. So people are really. I don’t know if it’s hypnotic or what, but they’re getting all of their research, all of their information is coming to them through a device. And this has been going on for a while. Whether you’re making a purchase, anything you’re doing, you might go to a brick and mortar, but you’re getting all your research online. You’re getting every piece of information. So that’s when I decided, yeah, I need to use this device instead of having it use me like I need to find a way to talk to them through it. And that’s exactly what I did. And it’s interesting because you’re right, like our generation, we spoke. I mean, I look, there was no internet when I was gone. It wasn’t until I was a grown-up. There were no cell phones. Okay, so you know, we had to find a way to connect with each other, and now it’s just in a whole other place. But it doesn’t mean that you don’t do it, because it’s not what you did. I noticed over the pandemic how many older people had never been online before and they were online. They were ordering online. They got it because you have to evolve and you have to reach your kids where they are, or else you’re always going to have that kind of distant thing. They know you love them and I know they love me. But there’s more to communication, just the knowing right. There’s more to a relationship. Just knowing that somebody loves you, it’s great, but there’s the daily, there’s the back and forth and there’s you know what. I really believe that if you receive a message every day from somebody, there’s no ulterior motive in the message. Okay, it’s just I love you. And here’s something I think is really interesting. What do you think here’s? Here’s an inspirational quote. I hope you have a beautiful day. It warms the soul and that person who’s receiving it actually becomes bulletproof to anything going on today, because they know not only that they’re loved but like somebody took the time to care, to send them a beautiful word, to send them something meaningful, you know. And it warms your heart after a while it does and it has an effect. And let me tell you something One thing that’s going to happen is, today those messages don’t come, they’re going to miss it. And what are they going to remember? Is my mother, my best friend, whoever it was, took the time to send, to communicate today, took the time, and that’s what they’re hopefully going to do with their kids or with their friends or with their community. You know, pass it on, pass it on.

Jennifer:

Yeah, that’s so great you were, I was, I was getting chills. Listening to you were. Warming my heart, no, and I think this is so important because I, you know, I think that so often we get in these complacent stages and I think sometimes I mean I feel like part of growth, a Growth journey is is finding the middle ground right. It’s like not saying my way is the right way, your way is the right way. We all believe our ways are the right way and if they’ve grown up, you know, funny enough, I’m gonna let me pull off of this for a second. Funny enough, my husband and I were talking just this morning when we were getting ready to walk. I said you know, I was telling about some video I saw on tip-talk and I send my kids videos of animals. That’s what we do. We pass animal videos back and forth because we like animals. It’s so funny. But I told him this morning I’m like we were probably like the last generation that got out of school without internet, like we didn’t have cell phones and internet and all that stuff. Like I didn’t even have a computer when I was in college. Like I did all my work on a memory writer typewriter with a screen about that big, and when I saw you too, oh wow yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, we might know my mom did have the big apples when they first came up and none of us could afford that stuff in college. I mean, you know, you didn’t have that, and so when I finally got to a computer, I was so excited, you know. But these kids now have that. That’s what they’ve grown up in. And for us to just say I’m not going to Learn any of this, like how to communicate with them, just completely shut down and say I’m not going to because this is the way I’ve always done, it is really not evolving, right. So that’s why I agree with you that we have to find this middle ground, and just to say that you know, I don’t know how to Do this, because this is a way they they communicate and not try to solve that problem, is not going to benefit anybody in the end. So I love what you’re doing and I think it makes perfect sense.

Tammy:

Well, thank you. Yeah, I just realized that it’s. It’s just simpler, you know, to send a text, jennifer, it’s like it comes to me the message. It takes a couple of minutes. We have 24 hours in a day, so you’re sleeping, at least eight, let’s say sleeping. You’re lucky sleeping seven or eight hours a night, and then you have the rest of the day. Yeah, right, because who sleeps anyway? Get get rid of. Like you know, you have to eat, yet you work, whatever. You have a couple of minutes to send the text. It’s actually very easy and very rewarding and I keep the emojis like down in the book. First of all, what’s really interesting about text messages I saw it’s the first book ever written completely in text format, Very easy to read, because it’s in Texas, so it’s not continuous content, it’s text, and the only emojis we use in the book are Every text starts with good morning, sunshine. Because that was a song you are my sunshine. When I was they were little I sing that I do. Good morning and the sunshine emoji. And at the end of each message I tell them like what they mean to me. Like you know how much I love that more I’ve loved them through lifetimes, you know, and I’ll always love them. So that’s where there are hard emojis at the end. That’s it. The rest of it is just is just text. And it’s the first book written in text format where people telling me, people are telling me Like it’s so easy to read, it’s so quick and easy and I’m getting, I’m getting this inspiration and it’s really simple. Plus, there. There’s 10 chapters, so we have like mindfulness and gratitude, leadership and focus. So what happens is all the messages that align with the chapter title are in there, so you don’t have to read it continuously straight through, you can jump chapters. You’re not missing story, you’re not messing up the story. You’re not missing details because it’s not written that way. And at the end of every chapter we have lines like your turn with the finger emoji try a message. So you can take pieces of the messages. Just try it. Try it once. Send out a message. You know what your kids might say I’m not into this, doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, they’re into it enough. You just send them the message. Even if it’s like I love you and you’re the best, it doesn’t matter. But over time they’re gonna really like that message and you’ll see. You know you’ll just play it by ear, but it has to be consistent. So, in other words, here and there is is not going to make a difference. But if you every day say I’m gonna send them a message, whether it’s the morning or the afternoon or the evening, just get it out there. So I that’s like, you know what? What I feel has been successful to me and I’ve had other parents tell me they started doing it and that they do see there is like a difference. They feel there’s a difference in their way that they’re they’re trying to make a difference, in the way that their, their child is relating to them, because it’s not always do this, do that. You know. What do you want? Don’t ask me for money. You know it’s so, it’s not that, and I did a lot of that. I got news for you, okay.

Jennifer:

So it’s not that, but it’s funny that you say that too, because I always feel like you know, in my my son text me, I’m like what is he what? What’s going on? What’s he? What’s happening?

All right, that’s what’s going through your mind, like what’s happening, you know, and then everyone’s well, you know, I love you and I’m like, oh okay, well, that’s a different text, but I like this and you know what I think is. So I guess Connecting the dots here because you mentioned earlier that they feel like they’re feeling better, right, so I think they’re it gets into this whole idea of a non-consumer Relationship, right, like an unconditional type love, where now you’re just sending this out with any regard for like a condition, it’s just you’re putting the message out there. But I think what’s also neat about this is Now you obviously aren’t gonna send these same kind of messages to other people, but you can also treat other people in your life in this same manner. Maybe you don’t have to text them every single day, but if you transfer this into relational ability, even with the people that you work with, on your teams and your co-workers and your friends and stuff, the difference it can make in the relationships, right, when you are coming from a place of gratitude and thankfulness and you know all those, those, those happy places.

Tammy:

Imagine if you were, if you’re like, growing up and you’re receiving beautiful messages, not just from your parents, from Friends, community, extended family, I mean, if you were living in these, in that world, you, you would grow up in a complete different mindset. You wouldn’t be able, you wouldn’t even be subjected, you wouldn’t even hate, violence, indoctrination, sightman, it wouldn’t even touch you because, right, you didn’t. You you heard different messages or whole life. And I think that’s really important and I want to say that my kids respond. They respond. They send me back heart emoji, they send me back I love you. They send me back good message. They respond. I don’t expect them to respond, right, they don’t respond if there is particularly visit, but they do respond. And what really Meant a lot to me is they were involved with this book. They wrote the forward, they wanted people to know what it meant to them to get these messages. And they’re like any other guys growing up. You know they live. You know they live downtown. I live in Manhattan. They have careers, the busy they have, they grew up in the city. It’s not like you know. Well, what kind of kid is this likes these kind of messages? No, they’re just regular guys, but, and they’re 30 and 28 and 23 now. It’s not like they’re little kids, but they, they, they were involved, they help with the design of the book that I asked them questions every step. I wanted their input and they were just so astounded that I was actually their mom, was actually gonna do a you know, publish a book. They were, they were proud of me, so they wrote the forward. They answer sometimes we get together Friday nights for dinner, for Shabbat dinner. We’re Jewish, so we do. We do that and the kids are like they’ll sometimes talk about the messages and they’ll be like your messages are really long and I’m like I know, I know I get really carried away with topic Like that. I want that, I want to share, and they’re like, yeah, but you know what they’re, they’re well-written. So I’m like do you read them or you just send an emotion? Really quick attention. They go, we read it, we read it and I was like okay good, you know.

Jennifer:

Yeah, and I’m sorry me to cut you off. Go ahead, I’m sorry.

Tammy:

Now, that’s that’s basically like it’s. So it’s just become this thing that we do you. It’s just the thing we’re doing with each other, and that, and it’s just easy. It’s very easy.

Jennifer:

I love it. No, I think it’s awesome. I am thinking on so many things here about, like, just how we treat people, you know, in our lives, the relationships that we have because it’s not just about our kids, it’s everybody that’s in our lives and how we treat them. Because we do. We get so comfortable in our states that we forget that we’re still human beings right, and you’re right. And I think with kids we do get to that place. Sometimes we’re the only time we’re texting hey, did you do this, did you do that? And like you, it’s interesting, because a lot of times I joke about this I say it’s hard for me to ask. You know, my two girls are moved out now, they’re out of the house, but my youngest is still at home and I say, sometimes it’s difficult to ask him in person, but I know that if I send a text I can get the answer right, because now I’m not bothering because it’s coming through in the text. It may be the same question I’m going to ask him if I were face to face, but somehow I’m bugging him when I do that, versus if I put it in the text, you know. So I think there’s a lot of takeaways in this, but I think the big message here is how to connect relationally with people and finding that way to connect.

Tammy:

You know, what’s really interesting too is, since I started doing this with my sons, I actually rethink messages that I send to colleagues, that I send to community and friends. Sometimes you know tone okay. Sometimes you have to be very careful to tone in a message, in an email, because they can’t you can’t tell how it’s meant, and I’ve actually all of you read the text and I’ll add something really nice in there. I mean because I want them to understand that it’s a good message. It’s not meant, it’s not. There’s no tone there, it’s not. I’m not being snarky, I’m not being this. I’ll send it hard, I’ll add something. I might send a comment, like especially with business, where I might send a message that something has to be done a certain way, because we have teams and things like that. We work with other people, but I’ll always make sure that I add something warm. You know that they know it’s meant with love, it’s not meant in a way to put them down or make them feel like they’re doing something wrong or you know. So that’s been the effect of doing this Because, like I said, the other might, when I was messaging my kids, it wasn’t about them, it was about me being a better person and I realized it rubbed off on the messages that I sent. I’m sending to everybody else. People have told me, who know me, a long time, they’re like you’re like you’re changed, you’re not as aggressive or defensive, or you know like you’re just. You seem so much chill and I’m like, yeah, I think, I think it’s, there’s something permeating from doing what was. That’s something it’s, it’s an effect.

Jennifer:

Yeah, and that’s good. And to your point on that, it’s interesting because I was in. I probably shared this with you. I was in Mary Kay for 22 years and so one of the things we learned in leadership was how to layer negativity, you know, sandwich it between layers of praise. And so, interestingly enough, you know, I didn’t grow up learning that. I don’t know that unless you had family that knew that we did. We got when we heard something bad. We heard something bad, and that’s the way it was, and you’re probably similar to me in that I’m just pretty practical and I just say what I got to say. And so Mary Kay was a huge learning thing for me, because I was working with women a lot and I wasn’t always so nice and politically correct in my languaging and all of those things. I would just say what came to mind. And so it’s funny because I’ve learned over the years in doing that that every time I’ve ever had to deliver something negative to a customer or to a colleague that I always try to praise them in some way. And so, funny enough, just last week I’ll give you a good example for our listeners how this is a perfect example what we’re talking about right now. I had to terminate something I signed up for and I realized after I signed up because I did it late and it was it’s something on my website. It’s something stupid. It’s just like a privacy policy thing I’m trying to put on my website. But after I started looking at the site, I just didn’t really like it. It was too busy for me, it was too much, and so I wrote the people and I basically said I’d like to cancel this. It’s just, it’s too much for me. I think you guys are doing a great job, but it’s not for me and it was. It was awesome because when they wrote me back they were non like, just not confrontational at all. They wrote me back, said thanks for the feedback. You know we appreciate you taking the time looking at it. I’m sorry that it wasn’t for you. We’ll give you a refund. It can make such a difference in how you get somebody to respond to you, and that goes to your kids too, If you want them to do something. It can make such a difference in how they respond. You know when you are mindful of your tone and how you’re communicating. So I think there’s just so many messages in this whole thing about how we communicate with other people.

Tammy:

Yeah, I mean, basically, we’re humans, you know, we have a voice. We have, I mean, we’re created that way. Right, we have the thumb, the brain, that we can speak. We have voice and it’s really all about communication. I think when people stop communicating, when it gets to nasty communications listen, we didn’t all grow up. We come from different generation. Our parents didn’t know. We’re much more enlightened. In a lot of ways we’re learning certain things we shouldn’t have done or certain things that we took from growing up. But if you go back to generations, they didn’t have this kind of luxury. They lived differently. And I remember growing up I walked on eggshells a lot. I didn’t like I was. Always there was a lot of anger, there was a lot of some trauma, there were things and you take it upon yourself as a kid because you don’t know, you don’t know, you’re subconscious trying to keep you alive and you’re just kind of like I shouldn’t do that, I shouldn’t do this, because when I do, this happens and it’s my fault. So that’s like a chain that’s been going on for a long time. We have a lot of these origin stories and culture, everything that plays into it. But it was and we develop these things to stay alive, because you don’t want the tribe throwing the sad which you try to throw as you’re out when you’re a child, you’re dead. What’s? going on right. So the thing that I had to realize was that it’s affecting me and it’s not necessarily I’m repeating things that I might not even be aware of repeating. So I and I saw it and I started becoming more aware of it and I realized that, yeah, it’s up to me to communicate and open up for something better. It’s not up to your kids, it’s up to them to do it for their kids.

Jennifer:

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Tammy:

Yeah, so that’s what I realized. And also to let go. I mean, I had to let go also of a lot of things growing up too, but my parents have passed on, so it’s like I had to let go and I had to be able to be better with my kids and be better for my kids, and they noticed it. They noticed these times they do and it affected my relationship with my husband too, because he started seeing a different person giving off different energy. My energy became a higher frequency energy. It wasn’t a negative energy because I started thinking differently and it affected our relationship and the space around us. So, yeah, I think you have to take accountability and you have to say I want to communicate differently, and that’s it. Yeah.

Jennifer:

This is so good. Well, I love it, Tammy. I think there’s so many messages here. I think we could have gone forever about all of this. I think there’s so many great things here. But you’re right, and I’ve always, you know, as a coach, I work with a lot of entrepreneurs that are trying to really develop themselves, kind of like we’re talking about here in the space, because it’s not just about running your business right, it’s about being an effective leader and effective communicator, because I really firmly believe how you do one thing is how you do all things, and so if you’re relationally challenged here, you’re probably relationally challenged in another area of your life. If you’re lacking discipline in one area, you’re probably lacking it somewhere else, and so I work with people, and this is one of the things we really talk about is learning how to communicate effectively and how to show up differently, because it really starts with you, and when you come to the relationship and a different energy, people respond differently to you. There may be some resistance for a while, but eventually they start responding differently to you because they’re like what is happening here? This is not the same person that I’ve been seeing, you know, all this time, and so I think it always starts with us first. It’s always about us continuing to evolve.

Tammy:

Did you ever notice that when you’re trying to move forward or you know personally, develop more row that you’ll have people who will push back?

Jennifer:

Hell yeah, absolutely.

Tammy:

Because they’re attracted to the other energy and you have to be able to let them go. Yeah, you have to let them go because they’re gonna hold on, because they’re used to that you, and that’s what you attracted. That’s what you attracted when you put out that energy. You attract it right? So when you’re trying to go to a higher frequency or a higher elevation, there’s gonna be people who are gonna resist it and you know what you might even find in your family people are gonna resist it. They don’t know how to relate to you anymore because you’re different. They’re used to a certain behavior. But yeah, if you keep moving forward, I think the people who are meant to go along will go along and the people who are meant to drop off will drop off and you shouldn’t be afraid of that. And I think also, we have to look at it, especially in business. I mean, I founded the Women Beyond the Table Business Network and it’s, yeah, we have members who they pay a subscription to do a membership, to join, but there’s a lot of women in the group that they wanna see the group thrive and it’s about being a team and it’s about people buying it. Like you have to have people who wanna buy in. Like when you communicate, they wanna be part of that, and how they become part of that is by building trust, being authentic and being honest. Like I need help, I need this. Can we do this together? What do you think? Like? It’s about opening the not just the communication, but bringing people in and giving them, like you said, praise and telling them like you respect their skill set, because you don’t have that skill set, you can own it. You don’t have to be great at everything and you can admire the people and give them their respect that do things better than you and have them do it and have them buy into a vision. And it’s just about how you present it. I never would have thought if you would have told me in 2020, oh, tammy, you’re going to, you know, expand your business. You’re going to have a podcast, you’re going to the Founder Women’s Business Network? Oh, you’re gonna write a book. I would have been like what are you talking about? I’m going to talk about it, so it’s never too late. It’s never too late to do what you want. It’s never too late to create. I believe we are designed and created by God to be limitless. It’s just a matter of what’s in your head, but it’s never too late. It’s never too late to connect to your kids, never too late to connect to anybody. There’s always opportunity, just if you want to take it or not.

Jennifer:

It’s good, good stuff, Tammy. Well, if our audience wants to get in touch with you, maybe they want to find out what you’re doing. They want to get a copy of this book, which I recommend. I’m excited about what you’re doing. I think this is great and it’s going to help, I think, connect a lot of families together. But if they want to get in touch with you, where would you like us to send them?

Tammy:

OK, so you can go to my website which is tcbrandconsulting.com. That’s my business is brand consultant, brand messaging consultant, so it’s tcbrandconsulting.com. Text message to my sons has its own menu tab. It’s on Amazon, so there’s a link there to go right to Amazon and order and try it out and I’m really interested in finding out what people think and if they love the book and so far the reviews have been really really coming into me really really nicely, so I’m very pleased with that.

Jennifer:

Well, congratulations on this and continued success, and I’m going to connect with you so we can keep in touch. I definitely want to see what you’re doing and how things are moving along for you and stuff, and so thank you for contributing on Start-A-Girls and inspiring our listeners to do great things and get those relationships, work on those relationships the most important thing at all.

Tammy:

Yeah, relationships are everything we need to have those. We’re not islands onto ourselves and, as we saw during the pandemic, when people lost connection, it was very hard for a lot of people. Thank God for internet it was very hard for people and I believe, with depression and with all that, you don’t need necessarily drugs, you need to get people connected and give them purpose and they’ll feel a lot better.

Jennifer:

Yeah, I agree with you. Well, thank you. We do want to say to our listeners, of course, if you enjoyed the show, head on over to Apple, give us a review there. You can check us out on YouTube, hit that Subscribe button and, as I always say, you guys, take care, be safe, be kind to one another and we will see you next time.

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